bittah.com!~ North Korea or Iran

Tribes 1, Tribes 2 and Midair gaming hub for the Australia and New Zealand communities.
We don't mention vengeance or ascend.

bittah:// Community / Safe House / 

Moderator: Super Moderators

Discord


Online now
  • Recent Topics
1 2 3 4 5

who's next?

North Korea
12
32%
Iran
26
68%
 
Total votes: 38

Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:00 am

whitewhale
bittah, jaded, anti social freak
bittah, jaded, anti social freak
 
Posts: 6549
Joined: Sat Jul 27, 2002 1:22 pm
[ignore]

Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:26 am

You're telling me Iran can't recruit one single good photo shopper in the whole of their country to produce fake images? Why not hire doopy loopy after his successful photoshop of the goatse tattoo.
Sotha
corporal bittah
corporal bittah
 
Posts: 2846
Joined: Sun Jan 11, 2004 9:27 pm
[ignore]

Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:02 am

Making a move on North Korea is the same as invading China. Considering how integral China has become, that is not going to happen. Not unless the USA realises it has in fact lost the race and tries to encourage it's allies to jump on board to re-assert itself. Also cant see that happening - and if it does, i'd hope that Australia doesn't get involved.
Deepjay
bittah, jaded, anti social freak
bittah, jaded, anti social freak
 
Posts: 13696
Joined: Sat Jun 15, 2002 1:33 am
[ignore]

Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:16 am

Just wait a couple of years until 3D printing becomes commonplace, China will return to insignificance when we can make our own cheap pieces of plastic crap at home.
Bongoloid
banhammer
banhammer
 
Posts: 4727
Joined: Tue Jun 25, 2002 10:11 am
Location: in queue
[ignore]

Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:25 am

Iran

a) Oil
b) Religiously bearded ( luv ya beard heff)
c) Rugs (hand woven variety, not hair related)
d) They are threatening the nuclear armed, love child of the US
e) Cannot take NK rulers seriously with their love of American movies.


The only way I see the US can get itself into war is if they can gather allies, and switch their economy into total war mode (which will require a massive conflict of the scale of fighting China as it is now)
Freddy
unsettled
 
Posts: 424
Joined: Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:59 pm
[ignore]

Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:42 am

Re: North Korea or Iran

Nit until NK strike oil/gas/minerals worth invading for.
Iscariot
Moderator
Moderator
 
Posts: 3279
Joined: Mon Sep 02, 2002 11:03 pm
Website: http://www.team-ava.com
[ignore]

Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:45 am

The sanctions the US has placed on Iran are already acts of war.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIO-4v8qpYc[/youtube]

The US is probably only one Republican White House away from full blown war with Iran. I wouldn't even be surprised if it happened under Obama.
deadpixel
bittah doyen
bittah doyen
 
Posts: 4492
Joined: Tue Oct 31, 2006 4:32 pm
Location: Bathurst
[ignore]

Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:01 pm

So they're done with Syria? That and Iran would make most sense strategically giving access from Turkey right the way through to Pakistan.

And doing anything against North Korea = more than likely fire zee missiles gg nuclear winter.
KFC
bittah, jaded, anti social freak
bittah, jaded, anti social freak
 
Posts: 8733
Joined: Fri Jul 05, 2002 11:01 pm
[ignore]

Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:05 pm

How much shit does the US have in Iraq/Afghanistan pointed at Iran now? Surely the ginning about for the last few decades has netted a big get fucked button.
Ragingmoose
bittah
 
Posts: 955
Joined: Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:57 pm
Location: Townsville, QLD
[ignore]

Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:31 pm

NK is China's responsibility so US won't get involved until China do.
Bash
bittah tardleader
bittah tardleader
 
Posts: 3373
Joined: Tue Nov 11, 2003 10:47 pm
[ignore]

Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:53 pm

Just wait a couple of years until 3D printing becomes commonplace, China will return to insignificance when we can make our own cheap pieces of plastic crap at home.
20% of the world population wont fade into insignificance. Historically China has always been the world superpower.
Shakey-Lo
It's not Down Syndrome .... honest!
It's not Down Syndrome .... honest!
 
Posts: 6599
Joined: Sun Jun 30, 2002 6:03 pm
Location: poop lol
[ignore]

Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:42 pm

There could never be a US & allies invasion of NK without China shitting the bed and threatening a much larger global war, so that will never happen. As long as the US troops in SK stay south of the no mans land China is happy. But it's not so much China wanting to protect NK, it's about them wanting a buffer between them and any US deployments. And with this latest nuke test by NK China is only going to want to distance themselves further from relations with NK.

Iran however is prime real estate for invasion. Why do you think the US has kept themselves involved in Afghanistan and Iraq so much?
Last edited by Scorch on Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:45 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Scorch
bittah
 
Posts: 1226
Joined: Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:32 am
[ignore]

Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:44 pm

Re: North Korea or Iran

I remember reading a well reasoned - if somewhat alarmist - report from an author who specialised in geopolitics & American Imperialism a few years ago when the US was last saber rattling @ Iran & he dissected the pros/cons of a war with Iran, and the "real" reasons behind it.

Aside from the usual considerations around public support/capacity to wage war on 3 fronts, the overriding reason the US would invade Iran (according to the author) was of course oil, but with a twist.

Essentially he argued that an invasion would help stave off a potential US economic collapse. Basically the invasion would require blocking the Straight of Hormuz which would have a detrimental effect on oil supply & spike prices. Given that oil is still exclusively traded in USD (aside from the breakaway Euro only based oil trade Venezuela & Iran are trying to get going which is another thorn in the US side) this increased revenue would help keep them afloat a while longer, whilst allowing them to secure the biggest deposits in the region outside of Saudi Arabia (who are already US friendly via the proven terrorist House of Saud).

Suffice to say it was an interesting analysis.
Iscariot
Moderator
Moderator
 
Posts: 3279
Joined: Mon Sep 02, 2002 11:03 pm
Website: http://www.team-ava.com
[ignore]

Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:54 pm

NK is China's responsibility so US won't get involved until China do.
Not quite, China doesn't want to be responsible for NK but at the same time they don't want the US to host a party on their doorstep - basically NK is China's party to host, it's a party the US will be invited to, but China must be the instigator of any proactive action in the area. In terms of reactive, if NK hits SK without China's expressed and sanctioned blessing (which won't happen) China will invade and take NK out before the world has a chance to react.

The real problem with North Korea is that once the dust settles (not including any radioactive fallout), there will be anywhere between 20-25 million people who are effectively refugees - nobody really wants to deal with that.

In terms of Iran, well shit - I always thought that taking out Sadams regime wasn't clever because it removed a hostile but stable country from their back - like two dogs fighting in the street only to have the local RSPCA officer put one down, the dog left alive is running around barking at everyone, in particular the nuclear armed cat which the RSPCA officer takes care of which we'll just call "Snowball of Irony".
Rougey
corporal bittah
corporal bittah
 
Posts: 2349
Joined: Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:07 pm
Location: In SPACE
[ignore]

Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:30 pm

Just wait a couple of years until 3D printing becomes commonplace, China will return to insignificance when we can make our own cheap pieces of plastic crap at home.
20% of the world population wont fade into insignificance. Historically China has always been the world superpower.
Yeah, insignificance was definitely the wrong word. I'm just pumped about 3D printing, it's going to have a massive impact around the world and China will be the one place to experience a negative side. How will they respond to the collapse of the low end manufacturing market?
Bongoloid
banhammer
banhammer
 
Posts: 4727
Joined: Tue Jun 25, 2002 10:11 am
Location: in queue
[ignore]

Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:37 pm

They mussel in on the 3D printer market?
Rougey
corporal bittah
corporal bittah
 
Posts: 2349
Joined: Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:07 pm
Location: In SPACE
[ignore]

Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:38 pm

NK is China's responsibility so US won't get involved until China do.

NK is CHina's means of trolling the USA imo
Deepjay
bittah, jaded, anti social freak
bittah, jaded, anti social freak
 
Posts: 13696
Joined: Sat Jun 15, 2002 1:33 am
[ignore]

Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:47 pm

I'm just pumped about 3D printing, it's going to have a massive impact around the world
+1

Theres apparently a mod for minecraft that allows whatever you've made to be printed out... time to get working on that minecraft hof replica

perhaps theres another mod to translate models into minecraft blocks... huh would you look at that

as for topic, i hope some fireworks happen soon, i havent had my irl violence fix in awhile
philmarcracken
bittah doyen
bittah doyen
 
Posts: 4243
Joined: Fri Jul 05, 2002 10:01 pm
ICQ: 116531792
Location: RIP FTTH
[ignore]

Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:12 pm

In either case, you will find that Russia and China will stand by the rouge state in question, but geographical reasons will determine who will take the lead. Russia and China will not let the US and co to have things their way (as they have shown already) because of the same reasons the British and French empires were always on collision course, imperialism. Sub reasons vary between trade, denying territory, or simply making a point.

NK is for China as Iran is for Russia. Both rogue states lie on their respective ally’s border, and all share the same sentiment towards the westerners. Having said that, it will take an extraordinary turn of events to turn this war of the pawns into an all-out war between super powers, if history is anything to go by. There were more testing phases (Cuban missile crisis, Vietnam War) that were handled relatively peacefully by more aggressive regimes (Nixon, Khrushchev). So, it’s hard to think of a scenario where Russia and china will physically defend their allies, given the relative lack of ‘nuttiness’ of their leaders. Therefore, their opposition to the US and co will be only on the talk table.

Hmmm, peanuts….

Also, Bongo, Japan started off like china, mass producing rubbish quality cars and stuff, but look at them now. by the time the 3D printers take over, the Chinese would have found their place in the high end market
Freddy
unsettled
 
Posts: 424
Joined: Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:59 pm
[ignore]

Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:18 pm

Until then my Chinese Fridge remains a poor purchase choice salvaged only by use of duct tape used to keep the door from popping open.
Rougey
corporal bittah
corporal bittah
 
Posts: 2349
Joined: Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:07 pm
Location: In SPACE
[ignore]