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Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:26 am

North Korea or Iran

nk dun goofed when even china is pissed at them for their 3rd nuke test. Iran is also flaunting their drone production line based on a shot down American design and continuing with their regular promises to wipe Israel from the face of the earth (even at the UN) as they regard them as an occupying force.
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Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:00 am

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Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:26 am

You're telling me Iran can't recruit one single good photo shopper in the whole of their country to produce fake images? Why not hire doopy loopy after his successful photoshop of the goatse tattoo.
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Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:33 am

it wasn't doops. it came up at the ten year t2 lan. nobody officially came forward even after it appeared on snopes but there was a short list of suspects ;p

from what i can tell, irans population have solid reasons to hate america and would end up as iraq 2.0. nk population most likely have nfi what is going on:
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Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:02 am

Making a move on North Korea is the same as invading China. Considering how integral China has become, that is not going to happen. Not unless the USA realises it has in fact lost the race and tries to encourage it's allies to jump on board to re-assert itself. Also cant see that happening - and if it does, i'd hope that Australia doesn't get involved.
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Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:16 am

Just wait a couple of years until 3D printing becomes commonplace, China will return to insignificance when we can make our own cheap pieces of plastic crap at home.
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Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:25 am

Iran

a) Oil
b) Religiously bearded ( luv ya beard heff)
c) Rugs (hand woven variety, not hair related)
d) They are threatening the nuclear armed, love child of the US
e) Cannot take NK rulers seriously with their love of American movies.


The only way I see the US can get itself into war is if they can gather allies, and switch their economy into total war mode (which will require a massive conflict of the scale of fighting China as it is now)
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Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:42 am

Re: North Korea or Iran

Nit until NK strike oil/gas/minerals worth invading for.
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Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:45 am

The sanctions the US has placed on Iran are already acts of war.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIO-4v8qpYc[/youtube]

The US is probably only one Republican White House away from full blown war with Iran. I wouldn't even be surprised if it happened under Obama.
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Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:01 pm

So they're done with Syria? That and Iran would make most sense strategically giving access from Turkey right the way through to Pakistan.

And doing anything against North Korea = more than likely fire zee missiles gg nuclear winter.
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Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:05 pm

How much shit does the US have in Iraq/Afghanistan pointed at Iran now? Surely the ginning about for the last few decades has netted a big get fucked button.
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Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:31 pm

NK is China's responsibility so US won't get involved until China do.
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Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:53 pm

Just wait a couple of years until 3D printing becomes commonplace, China will return to insignificance when we can make our own cheap pieces of plastic crap at home.
20% of the world population wont fade into insignificance. Historically China has always been the world superpower.
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Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:04 pm

would never happen without china's consent but even their patience is starting to wear thin.

israel will defensively bomb the shit out of syria if their "chemical weapon caches" fall into the wrong hands with or without UN/american consent as they always have with other countries. the outcome of the civil war in syria will be a factor over there.
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Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:42 pm

There could never be a US & allies invasion of NK without China shitting the bed and threatening a much larger global war, so that will never happen. As long as the US troops in SK stay south of the no mans land China is happy. But it's not so much China wanting to protect NK, it's about them wanting a buffer between them and any US deployments. And with this latest nuke test by NK China is only going to want to distance themselves further from relations with NK.

Iran however is prime real estate for invasion. Why do you think the US has kept themselves involved in Afghanistan and Iraq so much?
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Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:44 pm

Re: North Korea or Iran

I remember reading a well reasoned - if somewhat alarmist - report from an author who specialised in geopolitics & American Imperialism a few years ago when the US was last saber rattling @ Iran & he dissected the pros/cons of a war with Iran, and the "real" reasons behind it.

Aside from the usual considerations around public support/capacity to wage war on 3 fronts, the overriding reason the US would invade Iran (according to the author) was of course oil, but with a twist.

Essentially he argued that an invasion would help stave off a potential US economic collapse. Basically the invasion would require blocking the Straight of Hormuz which would have a detrimental effect on oil supply & spike prices. Given that oil is still exclusively traded in USD (aside from the breakaway Euro only based oil trade Venezuela & Iran are trying to get going which is another thorn in the US side) this increased revenue would help keep them afloat a while longer, whilst allowing them to secure the biggest deposits in the region outside of Saudi Arabia (who are already US friendly via the proven terrorist House of Saud).

Suffice to say it was an interesting analysis.
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Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:54 pm

NK is China's responsibility so US won't get involved until China do.
Not quite, China doesn't want to be responsible for NK but at the same time they don't want the US to host a party on their doorstep - basically NK is China's party to host, it's a party the US will be invited to, but China must be the instigator of any proactive action in the area. In terms of reactive, if NK hits SK without China's expressed and sanctioned blessing (which won't happen) China will invade and take NK out before the world has a chance to react.

The real problem with North Korea is that once the dust settles (not including any radioactive fallout), there will be anywhere between 20-25 million people who are effectively refugees - nobody really wants to deal with that.

In terms of Iran, well shit - I always thought that taking out Sadams regime wasn't clever because it removed a hostile but stable country from their back - like two dogs fighting in the street only to have the local RSPCA officer put one down, the dog left alive is running around barking at everyone, in particular the nuclear armed cat which the RSPCA officer takes care of which we'll just call "Snowball of Irony".
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Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:30 pm

Just wait a couple of years until 3D printing becomes commonplace, China will return to insignificance when we can make our own cheap pieces of plastic crap at home.
20% of the world population wont fade into insignificance. Historically China has always been the world superpower.
Yeah, insignificance was definitely the wrong word. I'm just pumped about 3D printing, it's going to have a massive impact around the world and China will be the one place to experience a negative side. How will they respond to the collapse of the low end manufacturing market?
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Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:37 pm

They mussel in on the 3D printer market?
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Post » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:38 pm

NK is China's responsibility so US won't get involved until China do.

NK is CHina's means of trolling the USA imo
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